FB comments…the neolithic slave state…does the use of this concept make me an “anarchist” & how is that a bad thing?

thought i w’d archive some of my recent FB comments here.  i had been taking screenshots but realize they are more accessible here.  in some cases, posts & comments are deleted on FB.  i’m hoping that despite that these archived comments will survive.  and when i change computers…which seems to happen every few years, i don’t lose my archived material…  unless…of course… we lose the internet.  i’ll keep adding as i go along…

from August 28 (at bottom) to October 6, 2018…

 

  • limiting an analysis of women’s oppression to the period of modern capitalism as most marxistas do is tunnel vision. the origins of women’s oppression was the growth of the neolithic (large scale sedentary agriculture) and it’s slave collection state. this began 6-10,000 years ago on various continents.

    though it took 6-10,000 years for early neolithic settlements to metastasize into the modern industrial/agricultural capitalism we’ve seen since the industrial revolution, in all instances where property values became key to large scale ownership of land, the matriarchal family model was forcibly, brutally replaced by the sexual slavery that we call “patriarchy”. imo, it’s necessary to extend our time frame otherwise our analysis is extremely incomplete.

    (see James C. Scott’s “Against the Grain” & “Seeing like a State”)

 

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on his own post.

    Oct 05, 2018 8:47am

    i know many …not all.. of us are comfortable and prefer “nice”… our concerns for the “other” are neatly parceled. we don’t think it can happen here…

    though it has. the enslavement & genocide that characterized the invasion of this continent began 500 years ago. it was quickly followed by the importing of millions of Africans into slavery for 400 years. the current wave of incarceration & criminalizing of refugees from zones of conflict are causes for great concern. who’s next?

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Doug Nielson‘s post.
    i know, i know i’m beating a dead horse but “organized” labor bureaucracies have collected millions upon millions of dues from their wage slave membership and failed to do the necessary organizing while showering their favorite slave party with our $. now they’re mouthing “organize” rhetoric to make sure they’re at the head of the parade and remain useful to their slave masters.

 

 

there is a difference between hostile participation/ attempted “takeover” of a political party and a friendly “takeover”. in a hostile takeover, a group can run a candidate who if he/she loses, w’d refuse to endorse the eventual winner. in friendly participation….a sheep-dogging operation ala Sanders… a candidate runs, loses and then endorse his/her opponent.

though i w’d be leery of voting in a slave party pr

imary, i c’d see the value of hostile participation. that’s not what we see from Bernie or the DSA…their participation in demi-shit primaries seems genuinely friendly.

this insight …shared by anarchists & marxist-leninists can be expanded to the whole history of the neolithic slave state…in its various incarnations and transformations. we are still living in the neolitihic….settlement society around industrialized agriculture coupled with a slave catching or holding state. over the course of 10,000 years that project has overwhelmed all other cultures, ways of living. these “other” ways are demonized as barbarian, un-civilized, nomadic by the slave empires. in theory, it may be possible to create an egalitarian society based on industrialism. in theory….

must admit i’ve only read one or two books by Bookchin that i only vaguel

y recall. on my study list after i finish Richard Manning’s “Against the Grain/how agriculture has hijacked civilization”.
this concern for apologies is rhetorical. i understand that while knowing that the slave master’s churches aren’t interested or compelled to apologize to the slaves.

 

when i first arrived in LA, the mid 1970’s, it had the well-deserved reputation as an anti-union town.

in the late 90’s & first decade of this century that changed…spearheading that change was Unite Here and JOIN unions…hotel service workers & janitors had a high number of Central American immigrants with a high level of political consciousness & organization. some of the same activists that i had associated with in the 1980’s in the anti-war movements around El Salvador & Nicaragua were ctive in these union drives.

at one point, they had a massive march from downtown LA to Century City that had the character of a general strike. supporters all along the way turned out to cheer them on. it was a major turning point for LA labor movement.

  • this insight …shared by anarchists & marxist-leninists can be expanded to the whole history of the neolithic slave state…in its various incarnations and transformations. we are still living in the neolitihic….settlement society around industrialized agriculture coupled with a slave catching or holding state. over the course of 10,000 years that project has overwhelmed all other cultures, w See More
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Mitch Sotelo‘s post.

    there is a difference between hostile participation/ attempted “takeover” of a political party and a friendly “takeover”. in a hostile takeover, a group can run a candidate who if he/she loses, w’d refuse to endorse the eventual winner. in friendly participation….a sheep-dogging operation ala Sanders… a candidate runs, loses and then endorse his/her opponent.

    though i w’d be leery of voting in a slave party primary, i c’d see the value of hostile participation. that’s not what we see from Bernie or the DSA…their participation in demi-shit primaries seems genuinely friendly.

  • this concern for apologies is rhetorical. i understand that while knowing that the slave master’s churches aren’t interested or compelled to apologize to the slaves.

     

 

SEPTEMBER 25
  • i thought “we” were the anti-war left…whichever side the “left” took, its main feature seems to be its irrelevance. tragic for the Syrians fighting Assad. and we’ve made a very poor showing in building solidarity. are there explanations for this? yes…
  • Gilberto de Leon replied to his own comment.
    don’t know much about UE though i’ve attended a couple of leftist sponsored events there. do know that the CRFEductors led Chicago Teachers Union supported the demi-can Quinn for re-election. are they supporting Pritzker this go ’round? i also know that my alma mater union, AFSCME gives tens of million of membership dues$ to the demi-shit slave party…doesn’t quite fit in with an un-critical assessment of unions current role.

 

in the 60’s and after, many of us on the left were very proud of identifying with our “national”, “racial”, “ethnic” identities while at the same time praising “internationalism”. often both seemed legitimately leftist. unless looked at carefully. in most cases, these designations are “imaginary” even if the impetus is “progressive”.

i deeply regret i didn’t read “Imagined Communities” by Benedict Anderson when it was first published. w’d have cleared up some of my confusion.

Bono Meets Dr. Shock

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a few years ago, i learned that one of my comrades in the SL…a very accomplished economist & professor when i knew her in the early to mid 1970’s went on to be part of Jeffrey Sachs team “assisting” the collapsed USSR. she was on the SL’s central committee at the time i left the SL.

no telling where folks will wander after leaving ORO’s (ostensibly revolutionary organizations- an SL term)…

 

SEPTEMBER 24
  • when unions were organizing the unorganized industrial working class…yes… since the ouster of the socialists & communists in the late 1940s, 1950s ??? almost without exception, the labor bureaucrats have managed to squat on any labor insurgency while milking the membership like cash cows.

 

SEPTEMBER 23
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Debra Perry‘s post.
    not a great believer in good/evil but agree “goodness” …however you see it… is its own reward.
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    i have a knee jerk reaction to any politico running in a slave party primary…and unfortunately, that reaction has never been incorrect. there are instances where i’ve said if so and so pushes single payer/ medicare for all, i will cross the class line to vote for them. never had to.

    i think it was Melody Roberts who posted an article from ISR (???) recounting the history of the socialist hostile takeover of the Demi-cans in Minnesota in the 1930’s, 40’s. they w’d run in their primary but refuse to endorse the winner if their class enemy won. DSA has a friendly, kiss-ass takeover where they mainly capture themselves.

 

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on David I. Walsh‘s post.
    funny but… in actuality, the billionaires have underlings in their slave party to put out the bs that the slaves eat up with a spoon. of course, those of us on the left regard this slave compliance as false consciousness.
  • this from Simcha Fisher’s article: “Hell, I fell for that with Anita Hill. I let them convince me that Clarence Thomas was the savior we needed to put this country to rights, and that this trashy, unhinged woman was just sniffing around him looking for glory, probably paid off by some secret politics operatives to make up a story that didn’t even sound true”.

    i doubt very much that this nomination by Trump will cause his “base” to bolt. the majority of white women voted for him as opposed to the demi-shit. this was especially helpful in the swing states he needed.

    what this will do is motivate the 45-55% of the voters that oppose him.
    this % is unevenly distributed and will not help the dem’s much in the upcoming slave state election.

 

SEPTEMBER 20
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    faith in the demi-shit wing of the slave state’s party… pardon me, the progressive demi-shits…is what has us up a shit creek.

    Obama was for single payer… before he was elected. oh? wasn’t he a progressive demi-shit?

     

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Eric Draitser‘s post.

    heard someone say so&so’s government killed its own people to which i responded “all governments kill their own people” that’s the slave state’s alternative to slavery. here we have 3, 5 or more governments killing people.

    “How long shall they kill black people
    While we stand aside and look? Ooh
    Some say it’s just a part of it
    We’ve got to fulfill the Book…”
    –Bunny Wailer’s version of Redemption Song

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Tina Bea‘s post.
    don’t accept their terms…don’t legitimize them by appearing before them…
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Debra Perry‘s post.
    if you see the beauty, others see it. don’t mess it up with humanoid vocalizing…or … don’t mistake your finger or words for the beautiful.
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Tina Bea‘s post.
    don’t have much concern for inter-class squabbles among the slave owners but love to see their confusion. don’t know who Ms Ford is but she seems to have learned from the history of the slave senate…don’t trust them. it’s amazing that they think she w’d feel safe at the same table as her assaulter…
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Dennis Brasky‘s post.
    read article …ISR?… describing socialists hostile takeover of the demi-shit wing of the slave party in the 1930’s. the Farmer-Labor Democratic Party they ran candidates in the slave party primary but refused to endorse their class “enemies”. zounds like DSA wants a “friendly” takeover of a wing of the slave party.🚮
  •  

    Gilberto de Leon commented on Melody Roberts‘s post.
    read article on socialist hostile takeover of the demi-shit wing of the slave party in Minnesota …called the Farmer-Labor Democratic Party in the 1930’s. they participated in demi-shit primaries but refused to endorse their class enemies. soundz like DSA is more interested in a “friendly” takeover. 🚮
did she endorse Cuomo in November? there goes the hostile takeover of the demi-shit wing of the slave party.

 

 

interestingly, Allende promoted Pinochet to chief of staff…😡…that came back killingly…

i now* agree that blocing with the SP against the coup was the only option though clear that no force with similar weight as the Bolsheviks in Russia 1917 existed. they defended the Kerensky govt against the Kornilov putsch and set the stage for their eventual conquest of power in October 1917.

***i say now because i was a member of the SL at the time and we denounced Allende’s govt …not incorrect…but then didn’t give critical support. wasn’t til decades later.that i read Fidel and John Riddell on the issue and agreed.

w’d it have made a difference? NO. even the MIR was caught up in the Pinochet’s sweep and unable to mount an opposition.

 

outright chattel slavery existed in the uskkka til the mid 19th century…fuedal serfs were sold with the land…the distinctions are legalistic and self serving bs for the slave owning class.

we’ve had several socialist & communist internationals that claimed to be the int’l party of the working class. in both cases, the leading parties distorted their original mission to their own purposes. in the case of command party slave states after riding a revolutionary wave, they create a replacement slave owning class…based on necessity…of course.

“leadership from below” …isn’t that the original description of an egalitarian movement and society that the anarchist and early socialists advocated?

i’m not informed enough to choose among the various anarchist tendencies…like the command party advocates, they are legion…but after reading a bit on the origin of the neolithic slave states, i agree that the main nexus for slavery…chattel or wage… is the slave state based on large scale, now industrialized agriculture and it’s ambition to enslave all and dominate the planet.

 

“capitalism’ isn’t the first slave state society…those have existed for 6-10,000 years. the main function of early settlement states (neolithic) was to capture slaves to do the drudge work of large scale agriculture. up until recently, slave states didn’t dominate the entire earth…they did claim it…no longer true…there is no frontier/ no-state lands to which the slaves can go Maroon.

unfortunately, the command party states (doftheP, state capitalist whatever?) have shown us it won’t be the last slave state…the wealthy reproduce themselves very nicely at the expense of a new set of slaves. on and on it goes…

the slave owning class has always been philanthropic…🤗

 

  • thought the left i identified with could be described as the “anti imperialist left”… a problem… among many… with this left is its current ineffectiveness.

    other than FB posts and the occasional demo, I do not contribute much to the solution. right now it seems that the soft socialists and sheep dogs of the demi-shits have the field to themselves.

    thankfully, in this mix, the pro Assad, pro Putin sliver of the left isn’t very effective either.

SEPTEMBER 12
SEPTEMBER 11

 

counter intuitive for the slave state masters to tolerate, assist the slaves even the most irrelevant of say so in its affairs…
SEPTEMBER 7
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Debra Perry‘s post.

    recently watched one of his films, Life begins at Forty….two things struck me:.

    i’m 30 years past that marker. They’re kids at 40… though popular meme is to portray them as near senility.

    Other than Rogers who was part Cherokee Indian, no non whites in the cast.

    as a kid watching popular entertainment, i wondered how they disappeared whole groups of folks… even figures who were “progressive” weren’t allowed across the color line.

  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Roger Sheppard‘s post.
    and the AFL-CIO is leading an inspiring fight back general strike….NOT. duh?
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Doug Nielson‘s post.
    misplaced nostalgia, mis-attributed “feminism”…
SEPTEMBER 6
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Debra Perry‘s post.
    Slave states thrive on domination…no more vulnerable population than refugees…the other is always shunned and persecuted.
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Eric Draitser‘s photo.
    'It's settled.'
    as a “marxista” I was pledged to the class struggle. realized there was a prehistory to that model but it was near irrelevant and barely worth considering. Lately, i’ve realized that hunanoids have been around for hundreds of thousands years… the neolithic slave states co evolved with agriculture and are 6-10,000 years old… modern slave states are the continuation not the originators of depravation and oppression. Most of humanoid history is the struggle to escape slave states.
SEPTEMBER 5

 

SEPTEMBER 4
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Doug Nielson‘s post.

    humanoids aren’t the only creatures that co evolved with neolithic slave agriculture…rodents, weeds, insects and microbial parasites came along… conditions were ideal…they were fruitful and multiplied. these 3…4 if you throw in potatoes are responsible for the many diseases that affect humanoids.

    don’t know what the solution may be… It’s a dilemma 6-10,000 years in the making and it has chained earthlings into an impasse.

    earth will abide. Humanoids?

SEPTEMBER 2
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Dennis Brasky‘s post.
    we, along with most folks, call it a war but it was a combination occupation, suppression of a long running liberation struggle, involvement in a civil war among the Vietnamese. had many elements. after 500 plus were killed in this one village, amerikkkanos went on to kill 10 million or more folks in Southeast Asia. the Vietnamese may forgive…i don’t.
SEPTEMBER 1
August 2018
AUGUST 31
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Dennis Brasky‘s post.
    took a peek…😂
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Tina Bea‘s post.
    I know a few folks with various fed jobs… most don’t seem to understand the need for self organization and fight back… everything happens to them. i’m a long time believer that”unions don’t organize workers… workers organize unions”…OR NOT.
  • Gilberto de Leon commented on Eric Draitser‘s post.
    realize if i have to ask, i don’t get the joke.

     

    pathetic. sad. likely voted for one of the slave state parties. as Biko said “the most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed”.
    • the Bolsheviks did not call themselves the “communist party” until after October 1917.

      the various socialist groups including the Bolsheviks were active in the Russian workers and soldiers movement and though not at the head of the provisional government, were active in the worker and city wide organizations and council’s (soviets).

      revolutions are those rare instances when ordinary folk push the formerly powerful out of the fucken way and begin to make decisions on their own.
      the tragedy of most uprisings of the chattel or wage slaves is that if not crushed militarily, they rarely… never so far… achieve the egalitarian, dignified vision that guided them in the beginning or in their ideology.

      though i’m no longer a command party activist, I don’t minimize the role of the command/communist party in creating mega industrialized, super repressive slave states…these mega slave states are market capitalist slave states’ wet dreams.

      many European and amerikkkan engineers, agricultural architects, planners worked with the Russian Soviet government on mega slave farm and factory projects.

      See James C Scott’s “Seeing like a State”.

      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Kim Dupere‘s post.
        it’s their slave state…
      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Doug Nielson‘s post.
        perhaps altar servers and seminarians should be given guns…
      • Peggy Hotes James C Scott “Against the Grain” & “Seeing like a State”. Richard Manning (also titled) “Against the Grain, how agriculture has hijacked civilization”… which i’m currently reading. have to admit i am drawn to this thesis by my misgivings on command party slave states.

        i now use that phraseology to describe a project i and many others hoped to create.

        my initial starting point was… probably…Martin Buber’s “Paths to Utopia”. at that point, i realized, that like many other traditions of thought, Marxism, Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Fidelismo were narrowly self referential and self justifying.

        these authors are explicitly or implicitly anarchist.

        i am not familiar enough with the anarchist tendencies… as in the xian and communist traditions they are legion…to identify with a chosen one. i do identify with the “crude” post civil war anarchist workers movement that culminated with the Haymarket martyrs and IWW prior to WW1.

        a mind exercise? a dead end? Probably. Practical? if the only way out of slave state slavery is the collapse of the slave states…???

        the books I’ve been reading point out that for much of humanoid history… until recently & overlapping much of what’s identified as the neolithic… the majority of the humanoids lived beyond the authority of the slave states.

        very few people are now beyond the slave state’s domination.

        I apologise for the long…for Fb … response.

      AUGUST 29
      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Peggy Hotes‘s post.

        Thoughtful.

        lately, i’ve been reading on the transition from Paleolithic lifestyle to settled agriculture and neolithic slave state slavery and realized that the socialist, communist left that i have identified with all my adult life narrows “relevant” humanoid history to the beginnings of industrialization and the bourgeois revolutions of the late 18th century. Some marxistas reach back to mercantile capitalism, city states of the 13th, 14th centuries in europe.

        the neolithic slave states of Asia, Africa, the amerikkkas and Europe are the origin and model for the now all encompassing, militarily overwhelming modern slave states.

        this is a 6-10,000 years perspective that posits that the primitive neolithic slave state’s mission of control and expropriate defines the modern slave state.

        Freedom? in the past, only the collapse of slave states set the captives free.

      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Peggy Hotes‘s post.

        don’t think this is a “union” campaign. one problem with appeals like this… not linked to actual fight back efforts of the wage slaves involved.

        Marxistas need to look much further back than the industrial revolution for the origin of the slave state and its false consciousness.

        Neolithic state slavery good. Non chattel existence bad. 4 legs good. 2 legs better.

      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Hunter Crow‘s post.
        there are term limits… vote the mutters out…if the left can’t win local representative office, what biz…???… does it have running for slave state executive office?
      AUGUST 28
      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Earl Silbar‘s post.

        Com’on, Earl…as a long time leftie, you know that wage slaves have always been under assault of the slave state masters…in amerikkka, imo, the workers movement led by anarchists, socialist and other left organizations dates to the end of the “civil war”…

        i think the first general pstrike, initiated by a railroad strike was in 1876. at that time, the slave masters w’d simply reduce the wages of their employees to make up for any loss in profits… they learned that this provoked even the most backward elements of our class to join the fight back. Much less expensive to have bargaining agreements and a corrupted, demi-shit loving labor bureaucracy.

      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Dennis Brasky‘s post.

        the SWP & YSA that i was aligned with kept their distance from these demos. Considered them back door support for McCarthy… though we were later very active in defense of Bobby Seale and the Conspiracy 7.

        despite the admonitions of veteran comrades, many of the younger YSA’ers went to Lincoln Park and the demos in Grant Park to get our fill of tear gas.

        some, like my brother, Tony went with Dick Gregory on his March to the Amphitheatre. He was a bit crazier than me…and a way better street fighter.

      • Gilberto de Leon commented on Eric Draitser‘s post.

        Started reading the first few paragraphs… I’ll pass on the rest.

        though i have a word of caution.. remember when a family that ran a children’s care center in California were accused of slaughtering giraffes to scare children into silence…put those folks in jail… until courts realized how group think can work “miracles”.

        i don’t want my hatred for the RC to slide over into that kind of hysteria.

      • aug 28, 2018

        Gilberto de Leon commented on Melody Roberts‘s post.

        the domestication of animals went hand in glove with the enslavement of labor for agriculture. the origin, DNA of the modern and future slave states is in that transition from hunter gatherers to neolithic slaves. no Paleolithic tribe ever gave up its nomad, barbarian lifestyle to slave for the new lords of agricultural accumulation.

        the command party advocates claim that their mega slave state will free the slaves… an insidious fantasy that the cause of the problem will be the solution. only the collapse of the slave states will set the captives free.

         

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