started reading comrade Milstein’s posts awhile back. went to a discussion with her at the Houston anarchist bookstore. don’t think it exists now. in her WP posts, she rarely discusses her overarching take/theory of anarchism or the anarchist movement in general. she describes her activities with local anarchist groups & friends in various cities. rarely… never?… polemicizes with other anarchists or command-party-wanna-bes. she doesn’t seem to be part of a national organization of anarchists. i am not sure which ones still exist.
she hints that perhaps the anarchist movement needs to up it’s game. not for old lefties like me but for younger ones that are attracted to it’s ethos. the future is uncertain. i hope good hearted folks come out ahead though their track record is rather spotty.
In various ways, the now-endemic pandemic has not been good for anarchism.
Sure, #MutualAid has been picked up big time—because it makes common sense in the face of mega-disasters (and as folks then discover, it makes common sense every day, as the stuff of #EverydayAnarchism—that is, life)—even when/if it becomes watered down by nonprofits and “caring capitalists.” And forms of #CollectiveCare took hold, albeit too often informally, rather than the heart of what #AutonomousCommunities would gift to everyone freely and formally in egalitarian ways.
But between our own good common sense of not wanting to put people in harm’s way from the pandemic’s start—and thus self-determining that many of our in-person collective spaces should be closed or postponed, perhaps to never return or only slowly (from social centers to bookfairs to anarchist summer schools, etc.)—and how humble/loathe/bad we are in general at offering clear, accessible entry points and/or mentoring anarcho-curious…
i “think” of ww2 as complementary to / a completion of the business of ww1. the re division of the earth among the imperialist predators.
your 2011 review of Occupy Wall St is …unfortunately… prescient. the mega banks/ corporations continue their stranglehold on the economy & the state while …in the uskkka.. hiding their grip behind the facade of the demi-shits & repo-shits. i’ve come to the conclusion that we cannot expect the exploiter/profiteers to resolve the issues of folks they consider fodder/ their slave class. the best, the brightest, most energetic of the slave class seeks to leave their slave-cohort behind.
The decade of the 1920s was one of industrialization and economic growth, globally. This relatively peaceful and prosperous period ended with the onset of a quarter century of economic hardship and armed conflict.
In 1927, a civil war broke out in China that would finally end with the victory of the Chinese Communist Party in 1949. In 1929, the New York Stock Exchange crashed, and the Great Depression began. Two years later, a period of 23 years of continuous international warfare began.
The period of open warfare, which includes the 1939-1945 interval labeled “World War Two,” began in 1931 with the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, and ended in 1953 with the armistice ending the shooting of the Korean War.
The United States of America emerged from the period of economic depression and world war as the supreme global power by 1945, and it would revitalize its non-communist European and Asian…
Back in May the Chinese government set up a special zone to implement ‘common prosperity’ in Zhejiang province, which also happens to be the location of the headquarters of several prominent internet corporations– Alibaba among them. And last month, China’s President Xi Jinping announced plans to spread “common prosperity”, heralding a tough crackdown on wealthy elites – including China’s burgeoning group of technology billionaires. At its August meeting, the Central Finance and Economics Committee, chaired by Xi, confirmed that “Common Prosperity” was “an essential requirement of socialism” and should go together with high quality growth.
Over the past fortnight, the tax administration pledged to crack down on tax dodgers and fined Zheng Shuang, one of the country’s most popular actresses, $46m for tax evasion. The Supreme Court declared the 72-hour work weeks common at many private-sector companies to be illegal. And the housing ministry said on Tuesday that it…
Professor Roberts lays out the humanoid’s dire dilemma….ends on a realistic note:
“Decarbonizing the world economy is technically and financially feasible. It would require committing approximately 2.5 percent of global GDP per year to investment spending in areas designed to improve energy efficiency standards across the board (buildings, automobiles, transportation systems, industrial production processes) and to massively expand the availability of clean energy sources for zero emissions to be realized by 2050. That cost is nothing compared to the loss of incomes, employment, lives and living conditions for millions ahead…
There is less than three months before the delayed COP26 conference in Glasgow. The previous two major conferences produced nothing at all: COP15 in Copenhagen in 2009, and COP21 in 2015 (the Paris Agreement) only committed nations to voluntary emissions reductions targets that would lead to about 2.9oC of warming if achieved. Glasgow is shaping up to be no less of a failure.”
The sixth report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) runs to nearly 4,000 pages. The IPCC has tried to summarise its report as the ‘final opportunity’ to avoid climate catastrophe. Its conclusions are not much changed since the previous publication in 2013, only more decisive this time. The evidence is clear: we know the cause of global warming (mankind); we know how far the planet has warmed (~1C so far), we know how atmospheric CO2 concentrations have changed since pre-industrial times (+30%) and we know that warming that has shown up so far has been generated by historical pollution. You have to go back several million years to even replicate what we have today. During the Pilocene era (5.3-2.6 million years ago) the world had CO2 levels of 360-420ppm (vs. 415ppm now).
in the last couple of days i’ve checked with my FB friends to see if any of them had misgivings on how the Cuban govt was handling the recent protests…
No. they’re fine with the police attacks, arrests, shutting down of the internet.
why? cause it’s done by one of their… and honestly, my… favoritos.
i’ve posted some critical observations on the manner the cuban govt has handled the protests. but…i am careful to cite my attraction and continuing fondness for the July 26 movement, Fidel, Che, etc.
one very negative reaction by a comrade who is not a friend but posts on some Cuban solidarity page. (i copied our exchange below). he doesn’t respond directly to my citing the neolithic slave state style repression but dismisses me as not living on the same planet for comparing it to repression in China (tiananmen square), Egypt (the Arab Spring) and amerikkka over & over.
this guy joined the command party wanna-bees that i was part of back in the late 60s and through most of the 70s. he was very young and quickly became a star in that grouping. he and many of his/my cohort hold onto the command party style of political activity and regard the Cuban revolution as ongoing and something that deserves uncritical support.
there are trotskyist theoretical underpinnings to all this that i will go into briefly after these excerpts. many of the trotskyst, stalinist/maoist groupings had the makings of cargo cults/ political dead ends. in fact that party that we joined in the late 60s has all but vanished…as many other such groupings have.
many of the former members of that command party later camped out with ISO for years…that fell apart a couple of years ago. i attended 2 or 3 of their Socialist Conferences and enjoyed them very much but kept my distance. by that time i had jettisoned my command party outlook. many of them have dived into the DSA…though they are not wholeheartedly DSA’ers. they’ve joined various factions within DSA.
unfortunately, the Cuban regime’s counter tactics on recent demonstrations are straight out of the neolithic slave state’s playbook.we saw them in China (Tiananmen Square), Egypt during the Arab Spring, in amerikkka over and over… Occupy, Pipeline & BLM movements: monopolizing of communications means, shutting down the internet, police attacks, arrests, calling out their crowd to intimidate protesters…more to come.
it is true that the economic issues troubling Cuba are due to the uskkka’s hostility and we have to oppose meddling in their affairs. the uskkka’s blockade must end.
i ought to add that my youthful identity was/is linked to the Cuban Revolution. Fidel, Che, Cienfuegos were young and handsome. The July 26 Movement was exciting and romantic. many of us love their domestic and international projects.myself included…despite my sense that command party states…including Cuba’s… are continuations of the neolithic slave state project. ………….
Gilberto de Leon if you see the response by Cuban President Díaz-Canel and other Cuban revolutionaries as similar to the murderous brutality of the Chinese regime at Tiananmen Square or the Egyptian regime’s efforts to crush the Arab Spring in that country, then we are not living on the same planet. –end of FB exchange
***************** i was tempted to respond with this graphic. i did not. *********
i don’t like to engage in cross discussion. especially when someone wishes me off the planet…
for the benefit of folks interested and reading this post and myself in the future, here’s some thoughts i have on these issues.
a bit of trotskyite/neo-stalinist theory.
the trotskyites believe …to this very day… that the 1917-1991 Russian Soviet state was a “worker’s” state”. initially wonderful. since Trotsky lost his faction fight with comrade Stalin, an unhealthy worker’s state.
when i ran with them, they called it a deformed worker’s state. the states that came into being after WW2 with stalinized command parties at their pinnacle were also called deformed worker’s states. Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Roumania, East Germany, etc. The Chinese command party state was also a deformed worker’s state from its inception.
the collapse of the USSR is deemed a capitalist restoration in the trotskyst world view. the one exception in this theory was…in their view… the Cuban command party state.
the Cuban command party has played a very interesting role in Latin America & on the world stage. they’ve managed very commendable tareas (tasks, obligations,). important acts of solidarity…unlikely South African apartheid would have ended when it did without Cuban intervention. improving the health & education of their population. surviving the collapse of the USSR & the demise of Hugo Chavez & his Venezuelan Bolivarista revolution, the uskkka’s blockade. gave support to anti-colonial struggles throughout africa and Latin America. gave sanctuary to many exiled leftists…including folks like Robert Williams, Assata Shakur and many others.
but they also built up a neolithic slave state. a one party political system. police & prison systems that emulated the Russian police/prison systems. repression of political & social dissidents, artist that didn’t toe the party line. monopolization of the means of communication. they used the uskkka’s heavy handed political intrusions to offload disgruntled elements of their population.
i no longer believe categories like healthy or deformed worker’s state are valid.
i see the command party states as a progression???, evolution ??? of the neolithic slave state project. none of these worker’s states ever laid the groundwork for their withering away as in the Leninist psuedo-formula. instead they’ve integrated into the world economic system dominated by amerikkkan, european interests.
various communist grouping, tendencies, theorists have called the USSR and similiar states “state capitalist” with similarities to the state capitalist regimes of the German Nazis and in the modern period, to states in which the economy is dominated by the state especially the military.
socialist, communist, leftist engage in endless verbal battles over various categories & attempt to distinguish the command party states that generally result from the appropriation of legitimate struggles, uprisings, coup, “revolutions” from the euro-amerikkkan models of modern nation states.
my own views of the neolithic slave state… market or command party… is not original with me. anarchists have long held similar views though throughout the 20th century the anarcho-communist view was obscured by the seeming success of command party advocates. anarchist organizations rarely played a leadership role in the movements that resulted in command party states.
in my 20s & 30s i knew of 19th century anarchists… Bakunin, Kropotkin… some 20th century anarchists. the Spanish anarchists. especially Buenaventura Durruti…but only through the prism of my command party model and my affiliation with what i thought was the end all & be all of leftist politics & theory. i dismissed folks like Murray Bookchin as a raving lunatic & anti-communist. later, i knew of Noam Chomsky …though he was/is very tame sort of anarchist who convinces himself to vote demi-shit every 4 years….worse, scolds others for not drinking the demi-shit kool-aid.
recently as i’ve noted in previous post, i discovered Martin Buber, James C. Scott and Benedict Anderson.
though i consider their anarchism rather mild, they gave me a framework to deepen my understanding of the long history of the neolithic slave state. i now consider that it has a 4-10,000 year history.
the various states identified by market capitalist theorists and marxists are in my anarchist view not progressive stages but permutations that intend and have for the most part succeeded in controlling and when necessary suppressing working people. they no longer call it chattel slavery…i’ve adopted the terminology of the pre-WW1 amerikkkan anarchist left: working folks are Wage Slaves.
the so-called worker’s states… that i call command party neolithic slave states… are the 20th century permutation of the neolithic slave state project.
the July 26th Cuban revolution has a special place for me… nostalgia, youthful enchantment with exciting events and charismatic figures, their 60 plus year battle with the amerikkkan neolithic slave state, many projects that i find admirable… has nonetheless resulted in a neolithic slave state apparatus. it is doubtful…that this state appartus will ever wither away.
haven’t posted anything for a long time. read this article tonight. morning actually. discusses views that place the blame for climate change, eco-destruction on over-population. as Malcolm said these euro-boys are always blaming the victim…and in most cases, those others are not considered euros. they have come up with all kinds of concepts to draw the line between their superior culture, learning, ways of life and that of the others who are causing all the problems. in fact, these euro-predators have invaded the entire earth and stolen everything they could for thousands of years. unlike the marxistas & other “modern” commentators/ filosofos i locate the crux of the earth’s and inhabitant’s problems in the neolithic slave state….a 4 to 10,000 year old project.
will try to post more often. i do post and comment on FB.
in the last few years, i’ve embraced the views of James C. Scott, David Graeber, Benedict Anderson and re discovered the pre-ww1 anarcho-socialist movement that was probably the greatest amerikkkan movement striving for democracy, freedom and autonomy for working folks in direct opposition to the neolithic slave state.
unfortunately, that was hijacked after ww1 by the command party advocates of the CP/3rd International. perhaps initially well intentioned …???though given the history of the 1st & 2nd internationals there’s doubt on point… this “communist” experiment in yet another neolithic slave state has been a hundred plus year disaster for working people. a topic for another day.
The false narrative that population growth is a key driver of ecological crisis “accus[es] and put[s] the onus on” people in the global south who bear the brunt of that crisis, Jevgeniy Bluwstein and others write in Frontiers in Conservation Science, an academic journal, this month.
They argue that, instead of drawing a straight line from rising population and affluence to ecological disaster, scientists “should help expose the structural causes and drivers of inequality, overproduction and overconsumption”.
Bluwstein and his colleagues are responding to an article that re-presents a populationist narrative, in a new version for the 2020s, “Underestimating the Challenges of Avoiding a Ghastly Future”. Its authors include Corey Bradshaw, an Australian ecologist, and Paul Ehrlich, a leading advocate of “too many people” arguments since the 1970s.
“Every dictate, command, directive from the state must be questioned and abandoned when we see it as no longer necessary, public ownership must be fought for at ever turn. we mustn’t allow the world and its resources to become the private property of a small power hunger group of billionaires.”
the neolithic slave state has evolved. it’s technological, surveillance reach covers the entire planet…it even extends beyond the planet.
can oppressed humanity overcome this trajectory? i will join with others in struggle. love discussions and the life of the mind but many before us have analyzed the neolithic slave state…market capitalist states & command party states… those of us who are conscious …in our estimation… must involve ourselves in real movements of the oppressed. put forward collective solutions to our dilemma.
up until the period of the first WW, folks could still escape from under the neolithic slave state. no longer possible. we are forced to fight from within its borders/ prisons. i support all comrades who are conscious enough …in my estimation… to see through the neolithics slave states facade of civilization.
Capitalism is rapidly evolving, if that’s the right word, being redesigned, would be a more accurate term, think Davos, that exclusive club for the rich and powerful. We are seeing the emergence of of a new world order of lords and serfs. More and more of the world’s resources are being sewn up in the hands of fewer and fewer individuals, the billionaire class. The small ratbag of billionaires that control the corporate/financial world now shape the policies and direction of the various states. The states have become the managers of society for the benefit of the new billionaire lords of the world Manor. The state, once seen as some sort of guardian and manager of the people’s resources, is being, willingly, denuded of all resources, and will be the policing apparatus of the population, to control it for the benefit of the corporate/financial billionaire class. The world’s resources will…
Guess what I just ran into in Against the Grain—the Neolithic Slave State!
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Yes… i may have started using that concept after reading James Scott’s Against the Grain & Seeing like a State.
though there were probably other sources. Martin Buber triggered my interest in anarchist perspectives on the neolithic state…after reading Buber (Paths in Utopia), i realized the states i had been calling failed communist efforts were really an evolution of the neolithic slave state…advanced capitalist states.
John Trudell’s views on western civilization suppression of tribal societies.
Murray Bookchin. as young commies, we openly ridiculed Bookchin without actually engaging with his critique.
other anarchist thinkers… folks who consider the state as the source of oppressive relationships and trace the origin of the state to the neolithic plantations requiring slaves & hydraulic projects (swamp clearing, dams, re routing of waterways).
from this perspective, there is a continuum between early city states, empires, the Egyptian & Roman empires, fuedalism, mercantile capitalism, industrial, market capitalism and command party states.
though the socialist, communists claim their state w’d wither away, in fact all their policies, strategies ensure that will never happen. after an initial period of “revolutionary” fervor, they openly operate as evolved neolithic slave states.
in Seeing Like a State, Scott takes a quick review of the soviet experience.
tred to limit myself to month of April. interweaved with posts & comments on Demi-Shit Sheepdog BS and his legion of commie/socialist symps are glimpses of the Covid-19 pandemic.
that took off in Wuhan province of China. probably mid December 2019. the Chinese state didn’t get serious about it til mid-January. by that time Wuhan residents had circulated throughout the country and infected everyone. took the Chinese state’s shelter in place, build up of medical facilities, equipment two months to get on the downhill side of the curve. the now famous Flatten the Curve. that does not eliminate, cure, heal the virus…it allows it to proceed but at a pace that medical facilities can handle.
as the pandemic proceeded in the uskkka, it became apparent that the neolithic slave state at all levels was unprepared. the for private insurance & hospital model was two, three months behind the pandemic. despite a two month China & Europe warning, they were overwhelmed.
an additional issue that has only begun surfacing in last 2 weeks is that the state governors have been on tv everyday begging the Clown for & buying Ventilators from China on their own. however, it’s now being discussed that only 1 in 5 persons that are placed on ventilators survive…not exactly a welcomed medical procedure.
it seems that forcing air into weak, frail lungs does irreparable damage. yet, the medical for profit system is patted on the back by the mainstream media.
Here are some of my comments posted on Facebook. they speak for themselves.
“Perhaps the leaders of the left wing of the Democratic Party have the authority and legitimacy to get a new party started. Is 2021 the time to step up?”
Doesn’t sound like there would be any political difference between the mainstream Demi-shits and their New Demi-Shit party.
AND you wanna wait til 2021 to get moving?????
the oppressed & working class ought not wait for a new savior or lesser eeeeeevil to magically appear.
the real struggles, movements in the whirlwind of this medical/ economic storm will not be at the ballot box but in communities & job sites. if the working class & oppressed aren’t triggered to move in their own defense, all our socialist, communist, anarchist conceptions need to be re examined.
the greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.— Steve Biko
A good example of local actions that have larger importance? Workers across the board walking out to defend their health and safety, Mostly done by themselves and not lead by the unions if I’m right. This kind of attitude can Open the door for bigger and better things.
Another example? workers in Lynn mass who are on the picket lines calling for work making health machinery, not airplane engines!
Really you want folks to wait til November to initate a real fight back against the neolithic slave state’s moves against us?
NO. NO. NO… don’t wait. Push back Now. turn the defacto rent/ mortgage strike into an explicit one. demand safe working sites with proper equipment with pay for folks unable to work. demand universal health care for all…citizen, non citizen. Set the Captives Free…. By November many of our imprisoned sisters & brothers may be dead.
D Now had Naomi Klein yesterday & Noam Chomsky today both explaining why folks who resist voting for the Demi-shits are spoiled, irresponsible brats. this from folks whose salaries, wealth, privilege are way above my pay scale. in their defense, they’ve never found a Demi-Shit whose culo they wouldn’t attempt to entice us with a large helping.
the real struggle, movements in the whirlwind of this medical/ economic storm will not be at the ballot box but in communities & job sites. if the working class & oppressed aren’t triggered to move in their own defense, all our socialist, communist, anarchist conceptions need to be re examined.
the greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.— Steve Biko
have mixed feelings on this. folks want to memorialize their visit to these places. this young man admonishes everyone else and then uses images of Auschwitz to decorate his video.
the authorities always want to dictate to us how we are to behave…i always have a problem with authority dictating behavior and threatening folks if they get out of line.
in San Antonio folks visit the Alamo & other missions, walk all over the unmarked mass graves of Native Americans without realizing it because the Authorities don’t mark the gravesites. at least in places like Auschwitz and Manzanar, folks are aware of the crimes & tragedies.
this morning on Democracy Now, comrade Chomsky takes the lead in resuscitating Sleepy Joe’s props… the “next best” after BS drops out.
an avowed “anarchist”, Chomsky has voted Demi-Shit for millenia…now like the Go Clean for Gene folks in 68 who were urged to vote for Humphrey and then blamed for his “defeat”, he’s PINK-IFYING “Credit Card” Joe.
Will DSA, former ISO’ers, SA, LeftVoice, WeKnowWhat’sUp and various BS enthusiasts who claim to be “socialists” fall for the “lesser eeeeevil” yet again????
they’re tripping over themselves to dig their own graves. Naomi Klein gave Sleepy Joe the nod yesterday on DNow.
My hope is that as the economic firestorm surrounding the Covid-19 pandemic mushrooms, that the oppressed of all countries will find ways to push back without waiting for our intellectual superiors to get their shit together long enough to declare themselves our “vanguard”.
these actions will be local and seem minuscule compared to the grandiose schemes of the vanguard party advocates but will be more effective than all the dribble coming from the likes of Chomsky, Klein & Jacobin.
i thought ventilators were the key to saving lives.
UNFORTUNATELY, in last week or so, i’ve heard a few emergency room / hospital doctors and Gov. Cuomo explain that only 1 in 5 of the folks who are put on ventilators come off ALIVE. apparently, forcing air into inflamed lungs damages the lung tissues.
many “socialists” & “communists” seem to have forgotten the difference between the 2nd International Socialists & the Bolshevik/ 3rd International socialists. the Bolsheviks ran in elections to put forward their program & gauge their support. they did not intend to administer/manage their class enemies state or help out the liberal wing of the Tsarist Duma.
in 1914, the RSDLP (Bolsheviks & Mensheviks) won 14 seats in the Russian Duma. a drop of 5. as in many countries, the left was overwhelmed by a wave of jingoism, xenophobia, “war fever” that led to WW1. in the case of Germany (Liebknecht) & Russia, the left members of parliament were jailed for their opposition to the war.
the “socialists” that had paraded anti-war (though not anti-colonial) views in the lead up flipped like turds on the road. ever since, 2nd int’l socialists great desire has been to be relevant, responsible enough to administer the neolithic slave state. eventually, the 3rd Int’l dominated by the “motherland” zig-zagged to that same position.
here’s some BS trash from Todd Chretien… of the late un-lamented, un-mentioned ISO. these butt-cheeks were primed and ready to join Bernie’s army & DSA…which they did in droves. they finally made their long desired leap from hard-line communism to Demi-Shit lite sheep-dogs.
waiting for the neolithic slave state to side with the oppressed is a dead end. Communities need to come together and do Rent, Mortgage strikes demanding cooperative ownership & management of housing,
Occupy empty homes. this will not happen as long as folks trust the slave masters to solve their problem.
the most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed. – Steve Biko
Biden’s got plenty of $$$… doubt the Demi-shits have the wherewithal/ las pelotas to do the intelligent thing.
i love offering Free Advice to D-shits who won’t take it and honestly …???… i don’t see a dime’s worth of REAL difference between the parties of my class enemy. one’s a wolf…one’s a fox. (thank Malcolm X). Sanders plays Sheep-dog.
Gilberto, I love Gabor Mate. I’ve seen him in DN with Amy Goodman. Haven’t seen the Russell Brand interviews.
Love all of them. DN whole team, Russell and Mate. All amazing people who speak truth in a bold and fierce way.
Yeah, I heard Gupta mention the other addictions. You felt he downplayed it too much? I was happy it got mentioned myself because a lot of people don’t know those other addictions are real. So I was happy he at least mentioned it.
occupy the vacant homes & buildings is a no brainer solution…What keeps us from doing that? folks haven’t lost faith in the neolithic slave state to solve their problems. when that starts to happen… and it is beginning to happen in tiny but hopefully meaningful ways… folks will realize they gots to do for self.
the most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.—Steven Biko
AND we are seeing folks resist, push back. this hasn’t coalesced into mass resistance…yet. i don’t think this resistance will look like the battles of the past… the drive to unionize industrial production, the civil rights & anti-war movements.
one possibility among many is a national, international rent strike. IF as many studies have indicated working folks are living from paycheck to paycheck..or in the case of gig workers day to day.. We Can’t Pay may change to We Won’t Pay. (borrowing the title of Dario Fo’s play)
Democracy Now has been interviewing nurses who are proposing public ownership of hospitals managed by the nurses, doctors & staff. at times like these, folks with boldest proposals get a hearing.
Democracy Now has had interviews with protesting nurses demanding protective equipment AND public ownership of hospitals managed by the workers.
none of these nurses were “official” labor leaders”… folks are stepping up but it’s not the labor lieutenants of capital that are doing so. there are exceptions and those will stand out. this pandemic & economic crisis poses the possibility that the oppressed will resist on many fronts and that these isolated examples of resistance will coalesce into mass resistance.
what’s the major obstacle blocking mass resistance? most folks are still hoping the neolithic slave state will solve their problem. IF & WHEN events trash that illusion, all bets are off.
the most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.- Steve Biko
Listened. Agree with panelist who said the various crises of Market capitalism can’t be resolved within the capitalist framework without doing great harm and damage to the 99%…working class & oppressed of the entire planet.
Beyond that i disagree with your belief that Marxism-Leninism style command parties are the obvious answer…without examining the 20th century experience with that model.
I notice a trend of command party advocates citing 19th century Marx, Engels & pre 1917 Lenin and then skipping ahead to extolling some undefined Socialism as the key to all our crises.
Socialists, communists, anarchists ought to learn from our experiences.
One of those experiences is the various unending DoftheP regimes that have tarnished the concept of Socialism and recreated societies that are not qualitatively different from the “market” neolithic slave states.
I don’t look towards the creation of a “vanguard” party that has usurped most 20th century revolutions.
I’m hoping that in struggle, the oppressed will fight their way to a societies in which collective decision making, accountability & cooperation are the norm. The promise of the Paris Commune.
unlike hospitals, doctors…you don’t need to make an appointment months in advance. have a friend who had a nasty flu & pinkeye before the lockdown. called her “primary” doctor. they offered an appointment 3 weeks away. she went to an urgent care clinic. 3 weeks later…after the lockdown… the doctor’s office called and cancelled.
this pandemic has confirmed some of my uglier views of “civilization”. the folks that we rely on the most in our daily lives are the folks at the very bottom of the pyramid. farm workers, delivery drivers, grocery store employees.
throughout the last 4-6000 years, “civilization”, late neolithic slave empires and their successors (market & command party states) have been dependent on slave labor on its plantations. Ain’t nothing changed…
“Eventually, consumers could begin to see the impact of any labor shortages in the form of higher prices or shortages of products ranging from strawberries and lettuce to meat and dairy.
There’s no easy solution, but a good start would be ensuring farmworkers are able to follow effective social distancing guidelines, are wearing protective gloves and masks, and are able to get the medical care they need without fear of lost wages or deportation.”
Sure…Yes… Of course… Why Not? Because Shit rolls downhill and the slaves are at the bottom of the pit.
i was an RTD bus driver for 8 years in LA. for most of that time, i was a member of a miniscule wanna-be command party. i was instructed not to attend union meetings or meet with union activists because the “party” wasn’t ready to engage. to their credit they (the SL) did engage in other rank&file organizing in various industries.
i like Slater’s comments & outlook and hope that if necessary, they do take the initiative to shut down public transit until the buses can be retrofitted and the drivers provided with protective gear. a struggle along the lines Slater indicates w’d give the worker’s a sense of power and confidence they could manage transit more safely & rational than current management.
turn it around… war, crisis, disasters are not only opportunities for the ruling class but opportunities for the working class and oppressed…if..If…IF they seize the moment and challenge the neolithic state rule.
our enemy is pre occupied, not up to the challenge of the crisis…they’re not sure of their next move…Now’s the time to strike. if at all possible.
this is something that Lenin & the RSDLP sensed in their approach to the 1904 Russo-Japanese war & ww1. to remind folks that may not have a Russophile history, the first led to the 1905 revolution that ultimately failed & the 2nd to the “Glorious” 1917 revolution that ultimately betrayed the hope of anarchists & communists.
throughout the last 4-6000 years, “civilization”, late neolithic slave empires and their successors (market & command party states) have been dependent on slave labor on its plantations. Ain’t nothing changed….
“But we must always keep in mind that a new class compromise is not sustainable given already-struggling capitalist profitability. A durable victory is only possible when capitalism’s strength has been broken by placing economic and political control in the hands of the oppressed, permanently.”
… from what i’ve seen lately, Roar seems to be sliding away from horizontal, collective, local & community movements & is now making common platform with folk who want a “socialist” state…aka the failed and/or betrayed dofduhPs that have resulted when command party state builders have usurped the various movements.
“. In a sickening move, Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced an indefinite suspension of environmental rules. Essentially, the president has used the pandemic as an excuse to get rid of limits on environmental destruction.”
Guess i don’t fawn over comrade Chomsky like my old commie cohort…even when i call him brilliant, respect him and will continue to read him. Esp true of Brother GM
Gilberto de LeonRespect Chomsky. Brilliant man….who makes No Bones bout Voting Lesser Eeeeeeevil, straight Demi-shit every chance he has. I’ll continue reading his articles, books but turn away from his Skip @ the class line tango.
Guy MillerGilberto de Leon Chomsky is a bourgeois professor, I fail to understand why anybody expects more from him than what he is. That does not mean that he doesn’t often have important insights and the ability to reach audiences beyond the insular circle of the far left.
Guy MillerGilberto de Leon please explain exactly what Chomsky’s belief in the electoral choice of “lesser evilism” has to do with his warning of impending environmental disaster, because, frankly, I don’t see the connection.
Karl SmithI think maybe Gilberto’s point is that it’s all fine and good to warn us about planetary eco-collapse now but why then was Chomsky consistently advocating a vote for the DNC as a “lesser evil” over the last 40 years when it’s precisely their neo-liberal policies that caused this mess, in other words, it’s the typical hypocrisy of a bourgeois professor.
Guy MillerKarl Smith perhaps a reminder of all the political shortcomings, of all the people one posts should be offered as a warning, similar to disclaimers for drug commercials on tv. Since, maybe, two hundred people share my world view on every political question, my posts would contain caveats of several thousand words per post. That way lies sectarian madness. There is a time and place for crossing swords with Professor Chomsky, this was not one of them. I trust my Facebook friends to reach their own conclusions.
4/11/2020 830 am… My…my…my but brother GM is one thin skin ideologue. afeared of disagreement with his world outlook. he’s always been that way. 100% correct…Sure. Yes. Of course.
Whopee du….i’m 71 years old and i’ve been either an anarchist or communist since i was 16. Never voted Lesser eeeeeeevil…Demi-shit. My impression of the GP …from the 3, 4 meetings (including a national conference) I’ve attended is that a good chunk of GPs supporters Skip back and forth between the Demi-shits and GP…and make no bones about it.
Jeeeeeez… many lefties still don’t get it… the “who’s gonna pay for that” card is to limit social spending. The important expenditures are dealt with off the books by the Treasury Department & Federal Reserve…think war, corporate welfare, bankster biz. A government with a sovereign monetary system is not a household…No household creates it own funds.
Fortunately for me the last time i stepped into one of those charnel houses, i was tossed out.
I “sinned” against the Holy Ghost and all his mythically xrucified brethren by wearing a hat by an usher in summer shorts. my reason for refusing to doff my hat was my receding hairline and baldspots. Vanity, vanity…All is Vanity 👹
when i heard this, Jimi, the Doors… i said Yes…Right the Fuck ON!!!!
give the Brits credit for bringing the blues, R&B, Rock’nRoll out of the insipid media ditch it had sunk but Rock’nRoll is an Amerikkkan genre. Though in most instances i distance myself from amerikkkan exceptionalism in this case as Jimi said: Fuck it, i’m an amerikkkan.
if i’m a worker activist, i know this is the time to hit these muthas as hard as you can. not just for protection against pandemic but for sick time, layoff pay, full health benefits, bargaining rights…etc.
social distancing is important to keep from overwhelming medical services… however viruses have a history.
in this case, it took China 2+ months from the time they started taking it seriously (mid January) to the time the curve started to flatten out. same will probably happen here.
Worse news is that Everyone will eventually come in contact with the virus. most will develop no or minor symptoms. some will develop serious symptoms and we want medical services to be available for them…possibly ourselves.
eventually humans may develop a level of immunity and we may have a vaccine. No cure. currently there is no cure for most viruses…many of them are thousands of year old.
commented on Guy’s post : Coronavirus is going to radicalize millenials. Phil had put in a comment. he was more concerned about “working class as a whole”. miller stated their “differences” were a matter of emphasis.
mine are not. Guy thought Millenials had to be recruited. i wondered but didn’t say…To what? folks need to find their own manner of responding to the crisis… the marxist want to recruit activists to their project instead of allowing for an organic development of the struggle.
doubt Guy will engage with me… i can cut the shit out of his ossified euro ass command party/state bullshit.
there are signs that folks are using this pandemic/ economic crisis to push back.
in my old LA neighborhood, a group of community activists and homeless (with some key union support) have occupied houses owned by Dept of Transportation/ CalTrans & are demanding all the houses be put into a trust for community and homeless. the houses were originally bought for a now abandoned freeway. CalTrans has wanted to sell them but many of the current tenants cannot afford to buy and euros are not eager to “gentrify” the area.
this is a community action as opposed to workplace action but many of the issues faced by the oppressed are not centered in the workplace… housing, health, police, mass incarceration. some of the folks who are key to this are old lefties like us though they are being very low key.
our class has to develop class hatred & a Class For Itself consciousness. pandemics and wars may be very useful.
I know lefties think the slave masters will use this crisis to strengthen their chokehold but the opposite can be true. i am not a command party advocate but do recall reading Lenin & the RSDLP didn’t fret about the 1904 Russo-Japanese War or WW1 but considered them opportunities….and indeed both triggered social revolutions. https://www.lataco.com/mother-occupies-home/
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States that currently have at least as many Covid-19 cases as New York did 10 days ago: New Jersey, California, Michigan, Massachusetts, Florida, Washington State, Illinois, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, Connecticut, Ohio. States that have at least as many cases as New York had three weeks ago: All of them.
Gilberto de Leongiven that the Fed’s trillion $ transfers every 6 months are not “legislated” or on the national budget, we could have both health care & plenty of bombs. the problem is the mindset of the neolithic slave owners and the slaves. the slaves must be kept impoverished or they will not volunteer to slave for their masters.
Lisa RobertsGilberto, I’m very interested in hearing more about retweet you’re talking about. I think you’re on to something. You use some language I wouldn’t it haven’t used, like neolithic slave owners. I get the slave owner part 💯, but what does the neolithic part mean or refer to?
Lisa, quite awhile back i realized i was no longer a command party advocate / Marxist-Leninist.
at first this was because of the discrepancy between the promise of the communist movement and the tragedy that befell the folks, nations that followed that path. ten, fifteen years ago, i began calling myself “techinically, an anarchist”.
i was not and am not a member of any particular anarchist tendency. i began to identify with the pre-WW1 socialist & anarchist movement. Gained a newfound respect for the labor movement led by post civil war anarchists including the Haymarket Martyrs. I model my own attitudes on Lucy Parson. though i lack her bravery.
i began to listen to various anarchist commentators. Hakim Bey. James Scott being the main ones. Scott is an anthropologist (who is also “technically” an anarchist) who has written several works on the rise of the neolithic state. Against the Grain & Seeing Like a State.
both have loads of YouTube videos. at first, i was rather ham fisted in my rants… perhaps i still am. lately, i realized that both Hakim Bey & Scott are more nuanced.
the gist of my view is that the modern market capitalist state & society and what i regard it’s kissing cousin, the command party neolithic slave state are transmogrifications (evolutions) of the ancient neolithic slave state.
since they developed the art of book keeping & writing while the paleolithic people… nomads, barbarians, tribal societies… relied on oral traditions… the neolithic slave state deemed itself “civilization” and claimed technical, social, moral superiority.
in many ways, the command party advocates and the states they created adopted the methodology of their counter parts and have all but obliterated the views, histories of their anarchist competitors in the labor movement.
though many of my former M-Leninist/ Trotskyst cohort characterize the anarchist left as “ultra left” or “irrelevant”,
my main project for the past few years has been to recover that suppressed, forgotten, trivialized history.
am i really a pure & honest anarchist. probably not. i still carry lots of M-L Trotskyst baggage & i will support movements & electoral campaigns conducted by command party types.
my former M-L T cohort tends to avoid debate with me… probably because i know their shit better than they do and will cut them up pretty good if given the opportunity.
Lisa… i am not all that interested in lining folks up behind my inchoate views. i am not much of an activist these days but since 1980s, have always looked for opportunities to work with others.
i was very active in CISPES in LA in early 1980s and later in AFSCME. i did not insist on nor do i now insist on theoretical agreement as long as we can collaborate on common objectives. i prefer the model of a “responsable” that cispes borrowed from the Salvadoran Left as opposed to the “vanguard” or leadership model of the command party advocates. prefer collectives to parties.
i have a few friends who roll their eyes when i go into my rants. don’t think they’re wrong and i try to take the hint. Thanks for asking.
Gilberto de Leonshould add by way of clarification that Neolithic & Paleolithic are terms used by anthropologists. the Paleolithic age is considered pre-history and encompasses most of the time in which humans have existed. depending on which species you consider Human, this period is anywhere from 40-60,000 years to 3.3 million years. (see Wikipedia’s entry on the Paleolithic)
the Neolithic age began 10-12,000 years ago. the Neolithic Slave State is considered to be around 4-5000 years old. paleolithic… tribal, nomadic, uncivilized communities co existed with the Neolithic society & states. in north amerikkka, the end of paleolithic tribes occurred in late 19th century with the defeat of last Indigenous tribes. there are remnants of the paleolithic societies but seems anthropologist don’t consider them very viable.
another model of mine is the poet/ singer/ AIM activist, John Trudell.